I think I’ve left this world behind and fallen through some bizarre space-time portal into a mirror universe. Seriously. Superman’s a bad guy, pizza is good for you, and hey, there’s Mr. Spock in a goatee and carrying some neural torturer device thing.
How else can I possibly explain seeing this little nugget pop up from the esteemed Ghostcrawler:
— Protection warriors have too much utility and damage for PvP. (We don’t want to hurt their tanking in PvE of course.)
…wut? I mean, wut? Protection. Warriors. Too. Much. Damage. DOES NOT COMPUTE.
As near as I can tell, this was brought on by the fact that somebody actually got killed in an arena match by a Prot warrior–probably a mage. This is apparently a violation of some sort of arena rule that Prot warriors are not ever actually allowed to kill anything, or be anything more than “annoying.”
Now, frankly? Arenas can go die in a toxic waste spill for all I care. My only arena experience was helping a couple of friends intentionally wreck their 3v3 rating to see how low they could go. (799, btw. Do you know how freaking hard it is to actually lose a match in the 900 bracket, even if you’re trying?) As a PvE player, arenas have done nothing for me except to screw up various and sundry of my toons in various and sundry ways, as they get nerfed to compensate for the hardcore e-sporters screaming “zomg unbalanced!”
And now, this. Protection warriors–protection warriors, people–are doing too much damage in PvP and have to get nerfed. So just how does Blizzard think they’re going to nerf us incredibly overpowered Prot warriors, as we go slaughtering everything in sight in PvP (cough cough)? Well, here’s some info from Bornakk about it:
In the next content patch the current plan is to change Warbringer a bit so that it no longer allows Charge and Intercept to break roots or snares but Intervene would remain unaffected.
We’ll see if any further changes come down the pipeline.
Not a massive nerf for PvE. I like having Charge and Intercept bust me out of snares, but I could live without it. As long as we can still use all our abilities without having to switch stances…meh, it’s a nerf, but not a huge one.
We are also considering some changes to Shield Slam to where it won’t affect players in normal tanking gear but it will affect the scaling of block value for those who are stacking it. This isn’t guaranteed as we still want to make sure it doesn’t have a real negative effect on PvE, but in turn we may have the threat caused by Shield Slam just straight increased. We’ll see how this goes as we test it internally.
DANGER. DANGER, WILL ROBINSON. DAMAGE NERF INCOMING.
There seems to be some confusion on what changes we are currently looking at that will affect Shield Slam.
What we are changing is block’s scaling on Shield Slam and not block value itself. Shield Slam’s scaling is being altered so this includes Shield Block Value, but it also includes all of the Strength on the PvE dps gear.
For players wearing normal PvE tanking gear, they should not see much of a difference, but we are increasing the threat of Shield Slam to make sure. Anybody stacking a lot of damage gear will probably notice a difference in their Shield Slams though.
Spock: “Captain, sensors identify a damage nerf incoming, bearing two two six mark eight five, speed Warp Six.”
The problem with the PvP side of Warbringer is that when you consider prot warrior versus mage (just as an example), there was nothing a mage could do to a well versed warrior. The warrior carries a lot of stuns, silences, and then any attempt to root him is broken by multiple abilities. So then the warrior’s teammate (like a hunter) is just doing tons of damage while the target has no defenses.
Um…wait. Wasn’t there a word for what used to happen when a warrior chased after a mage and couldn’t catch up because of roots or snares and the mage could just /point, /laugh, and /nuke? Oh yeah, kiting. Apparently it is preferable for a mage to be able to kite a warrior than a warrior to be able to bitchslap the mage. I guess the mages have a better political action committee than we do.
Here are some more specifics on the (possible) Shield Slam changed. Remember, nothing is finalized at this point.
The diminishing returns on shield slam damage now starts to kick in when shield block value is more than 1960 (at level 80). It maxes at behaving as if your shield block value is 2072 when your block value is actually 3160 (again, at level 80). Remember this includes the scaling from both shield block value on gear AND shield block value from Strength.
Oh, but “it won’t affect us in PvE.” Uh…yes it fucking will.
Linedan’s tank gear–not stacked for shield block value at all–has almost 2000 SBV when he’s raid buffed. His threat set, which stacks strength and SBV to maximize damage, has closer to 3000. In his threat set, he’s already gotten nerfed damage-wise once. And now he’s about to take another one.
All of this might not send me into the realm of a full rage bar IRL except for one undeniable, cold, hard fact: warriors are already the lowest-damage class out of the four tanking classes. Look at your raid’s or guild’s tanks on Recount sometime. Compare what the death nuggets and paladins and even druids can do compared to a warrior. Boy, I’d sure love to be able to crank out 3500 dps while tanking a raid boss. I do, typically, somewhere in the low 2000s…less if it’s a fight where I have to switch off with another tank (Saurfang) and spend significant time not being hit, even less if I’m offtanking and have to run around and gather adds without the benefit of Consecrate or Death & Decay or Death Grip.
“But your job isn’t to do damage, it’s to hold threat!” Yes, I know. That’s a frequent argument that DPS throws at tanks. It’s a correct one…to a point. But answer me this, Gentle Reader…if you’ve got two capable tanks, and you’re staring a DPS race like Festergut in the face, who would you rather have? The death nugget who can push 4k DPS on the fight, or the warrior who does 2k? What if you’re the offtank, what do you do during the part of the fight when it’s not your job to hold threat? Have your damage lowered even more? Would you rather have “bonus threat” instead of damage? I wouldn’t. Screw “bonus threat.” I want to generate my threat the way that Blizzard said that threat would be generated in Wrath of the Lich King…through damage. Instead, I get lowered damage and “bonus threat.”
So here we are, the lowest-damage tanking class by a mile…and Blizzard is talking about lowering our Shield Slam damage even more because of fucking arenas. Well yay. Excuse me if I’m not sitting in the stands at the next MLG event.
Guess it was our turn in the gunsights sooner or later.
Hey look, SURPRISE BUTTSE…uh, I mean, hey, look, a patch. 3.0.9 patch notes are not up on Blizzard’s normal patch notes page as of Tuesday morning EST, but are available here at MMO Champion and the other usual spots around teh Intertubes. So expect “extended expanded extended maintenance” today; my guess for server uptime is no earlier than about 4:45 pm EST, which oddly enough, is about the time I leave work.
Oddly enough, this is one of the few patches I’ve seen that doesn’t touch warriors at all, good or bad. There are changes to most other classes, including the reversal of a couple of 3.0.8 BM hunter nerfs. Serpent’s Swiftness is now back up to +20% pet haste at max rank, and Kindred Spirits is now back up to +20% pet damage. I think Blizzard figured out that they dropped the hammer too hard on BM hunters. These are countered by two ability nerfs–Lava Breath and Poison Spit only slow target casting speed by -25%, down from -50%. (Several other cast-slow effects like Slow and Mind-Numbing Poison got halved as well; this looks to be a PvP adjustment for squishies.)
One more semi-related hunter tidbit: Big Red Kitty, your one-stop shop for all things huntrish, commissioned an interesting WoW Armory-mining survey of hunter specs and just what 3.0.8 did to the BM/MM/SV proportions. The results shocked the hell out of me. Looks like survival hunters definitely win the Flavor of the Month award for January.
Nothing particularly unknown or unexpected there. The only change for prot warriors is that Taunt (and druid Growl) have a 30-yard range now instead of 20. There’s better news for Fury warriors…the extra 5% miss penalty for Titan’s Grip is gone. I, for one, welcome our new dual-2H-axe-wielding overlords. All the Titans Grip barbarians I know will be drinking and wenching far into the night in celebration.
Hunters, well, they don’t do so well. Beltar, a hardcore marks hunter, will be pleased with the reduced cooldown on Kill Shot and the small buff to Improved Tracking, even while lamenting the moderate nerf to Steady Shot. But Illithanis, my BM spec? Not a happy belfette. Her DPS is so low and her gear so terrible at 71 that she may not even notice, we’ll see. But between the Serpent’s Swiftness attack speed nerf, the Unleashed Rage damage nerf, and the Kindred Spirits damage nerf? Pet damage is going to drop considerably. And, the Readiness/Big Red Pet cooldown change may be the death of the 50/21/0 gimmick build. We’ll see.
And for you mages and warlocks: Any ability that agros a mob will now “tap” it to you, so nobody else will be able to get xp/loot from it. Yep, you won’t get your sheep stolen anymore, and locks won’t have that two-second window of vulnerability before the first DoT ticks hit.