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In space, no one can hear you sigh

You would think, given that Cataclysm has been out for almost two weeks now, that my first post-Cata blog post would be about it.  About how Linedan is level 85 and Cataclysm Loremaster after just nine days without really trying; about how good the new zones are (and they are very good indeed); about how good the new instances are (ditto); about his grinding out gear to get ready to do heroics, to get ready to raid by The Anvil’s self-imposed January 13, 2011 start date.

You would be wrong.  My first post since the Sundering, in fact, isn’t even about World of Warcraft at all.  It’s about a completely different game…a completely different universe, actually.  In more ways than one.

I’ve always loved games set in space.  One of the very first games I ever got for my first IBM-compatible PC was the immortal Bell and Braben classic Elite.  Like a lot of other people, I played through the entire Wing Commander series, all five games, from the days when Blair and Maniac were just VGA pixels until they turned into Luke Skywalker and Biff from Back to the Future. In fact, it was a space game that brought me to WoW originally.  In early 2005, I was playing an obscure space MMOG called Jumpgate when people in the squadron I flew with started playing this other game on the side…an RPG called World of Warcraft.  The rest is history.

So it should come, therefore, as no surprise that I play EVE Online.  I don’t play it to the same level that I play WoW; it’s a much more sporadic pastime, where I play for a while, then slack off, come back and play some more, burn out, lather, rinse, repeat.  It isn’t a joystick-based “flyer” like the old Wing Commander and Privateer games that I loved so much; navigation is automated and click-based, you don’t directly fly your ship except by selecting various celestial objects, or double-clicking in a direction in space to move that way.  But I still like it.

EVE is, really, the ultimate sandbox game.  The developers, CCP of Iceland, have a very hands-off approach to what goes on in the 23,000 star systems of New Eden.  Things that would get you banned for griefing in virtually any other game–stealing from other players, raiding their corporation (guild) hangars (banks), tricking newbies to shoot at you so you can gank them without repercussion, scamming on contracts–aren’t just allowed in EVE, they’re raised to an art form.  The legendary year-long corporate espionage and ultimate betrayal of Ubiqua Seraph by the Guiding Hand Social Club is the most famous (and reading about it is how I heard about, and first signed up for, EVE).  The economy is 95%+ player-driven, almost every item you’d ever use is not created out of thin air by server gnomes, but manufactured by players, from raw materials mined by players, and sold by players.

It’s a game where huge swaths of space–I think about three-quarters of it–are wide-open for PvP with no interference from New Eden’s NPC “cops”, called CONCORD.  In so-called “nullsec” space, with its security rating of 0.0 (on a scale to 1.0), alliances of corporations can lay claim to the space and its resources to build their empires and fill their coffers.  In claimed but lower-security space, pirates lurk to jump any poor sod that stumbles through their system.  Even in the most secure and patrolled systems, you can be attacked at any time if the attacker is willing to sacrifice their ship to CONCORD to do it.  EVE, in short, is a world where there’s not much safety.  Your fellow players are bigger threats than any NPC pirate.  The playerbase is sizeable (around 300,000 worldwide), generally very passionate, knowledgeable, maybe a bit arrogant, and not inclined to cut anyone any slack.  In New Eden, the milk of human kindness is laced with generous doses of Everclear and arsenic.

Into this wretched hive of scum, villainy, and warp drives, a certain roleplaying carebear Panzercow wandered about four years ago.  Like most EVE newbies, the thing I struggled with the most is the sheer scope and open-endedness of the game.  You can do almost anything if you’re willing to put the time into it.  Taking missions (think quests) for NPC corporation agents.  Exploring space wormholes.  Learning to play the market by trading.  Getting into PvP.  Piracy.  It’s all there, it’s all viable.  The only limiting factor is the time it takes to train skills…skills are what allow you to use different ships and objects in EVE, and they are trained in real-time, whether you’re logged on or not.  Simple skills take a few minutes to train.  Complex skills can take weeks or even months to max out.  And there are hundreds of different skills.

I decided that I would pursue a carebearish path of becoming a miner.  And so I created Jonathan Harmon, Gallente miner, and set out to make my fortune in New Eden.

I found out very quickly that EVE Online kind of sucks when you’re alone.  Oh, it’s perfectly capable of being soloed in many areas, but compared to being in a player corporation, your progression will be slow and limited.  I struggled along for months in an NPC corporation (the effective equivalent of being unguilded…in EVE, you’re always in some kind of corp) until I joined a corporation called Oberon Incorporated.  Oberon was full of good people, but they were vastly richer and more experienced than I was.  I was the level 14 guy struggling through the Barrens and the rest of them were raiding Icecrown.

Then the corp joined one of the big power alliances in EVE, Morsus Mihi, and moved to nullsec space.  Nullsec is a place where you can never let down your guard.  Even flying from one system to another in territory that your alliance allegedly controls is a dangerous act.  The NPC mobs are bigger and nastier, too.  It’s a place where being a carebear is a disadvantage…as I was told repeatedly when Morsus Mihi fleet commanders would rudely reject my attempts to join their huge war fleets in my humble tech-1 cruiser or battlecruiser.  I wanted to learn more about EVE PvP, but I wasn’t given the opportunity.  I couldn’t drag my mining ships out except under heavy escort and most of the rest of the corp were off doing things that I couldn’t participate in, so no escort.  Then I had to drop the account for a few months due to money pressures, and when I came back, I found I had been booted from the corp for inactivity…and was ganked by a MM alliance pilot when I tried to move from one station to another, because I wasn’t in the alliance any more.

So I quietly let the esteemed Mr. Harmon fade away, and eventually deleted the character.  I was determined to make another go of it, avoiding the mistakes I’d made before.  And so, Ellison French, Gallente miner part 2, was born, and set out to make his fortune in New Eden.

Flying solo wasn’t any more fun the second time than the first.  After a few months of grinding and running missions and boring solo mining, I joined another corp.  That one lasted a couple of months before another, more experienced in PvP, corporation declared war on us–meaning they could shoot us anywhere, anytime, without interference from CONCORD.  We ended up mostly hiding in stations.  When our enemies destroyed our corporation’s player-owned station, the corp fell apart.

A bit later, I joined up with a small mining and industrial corporation called Farsight Systems.  This seemed a better fit for me than the big, nullsec-oriented Oberon had been.  And for a while, I wandered on my casual way, logging on when I could to quietly mine or run missions, or sometimes just logging on to set my skill training up and then logging back off again.  A lot of the corp was on Australian/New Zealand time, completely opposite from me; those who were on US time tended to be scattered around doing different things.  I admit, I didn’t really avail myself of the opportunity of asking people to do things with me.  I’m pretty quiet in that regard, doesn’t matter what game we’re talking about.  Plus, I didn’t have a real coherent plan of what I wanted Ellison to be going forward, and trying to make the money to buy the mining barge I wanted for him was a long, tiring grind.  Economic numbers in EVE sound like something right out of Weimar Germany; billions of ISK (currency) are thrown around like they’re nothing.  And there I was, trying to save up 175 million to buy a ship and taking months to do it.  I never have figured out why I’m so bad at making money in that game.

The guys in Farsight were great, but eventually, I just got bored with it.  So I stepped away, again, for a while, and quietly deleted Ellison French.

Last month, in the run-up to Cataclysm, I decided to pick EVE back up again in the pre-expansion WoW lull.  This time, I vowed, I would break the mold.  I created another Jonathan Harmon, but this time, he was Caldari, not Gallente, and he would be more of a mission runner with an eye toward deep space exploration, not a miner.  I was excited.  I had new ships to learn, a new way of fighting to learn, and this time I had a corporation goal right off the bat…to get into EVE University.  EVE University (usually called “Uni”) is a corp that’s specifically designed as a place where newer pilots are trained to survive the rigors of life in New Eden.  Was I a “newer” pilot?  Eh, not really, since my account had been around since March 2007 and I had two previous characters.  But trust me, when it comes to EVE, I’m a noob.  Whole vast areas of the game–how to make money trading, how to PvP, how to do higher-end missions–are black holes to me.  This time, I vowed, I would learn, and I would do it right.

EVE University has an application process that is rather in-depth.  There are multi-page web questionnaires to fill out and steps to go through and a long, long wait for a personal interview by a recruiting officer.  I was honest about my previous characters and their history and deletion in my application, because, well, that’s what you’re supposed to do, right?

It took me 19 days to finally get an interview.  And when I did…it wasn’t what I expected.  I figured it would be a casual “what do you want to get out of the Uni” type thing.  Instead, well, let’s just say I’ve had job interviews in real life that were less intense…and less awkward.  The recruiter seemed to fixate on the fact that I had joined Oberon three years prior with a fairly low number of skill points (a few million) in apparent contradiction of corp policies, I told him I didn’t remember there being a skill point limit and I had no trouble joining.  He asked me “who vouched for you when you joined Oberon?”  Honestly, it was three years ago, I didn’t remember, and told him as much.  There was a brief pause, and then he came back with “actually, Oberon has always had a skill point restriction, it used to be 40 million and they’ve always required someone to vouch for a pilot joining under that limit, would you care to revise your answer?”

“Would you care to revise your answer” is not something I expect to hear in an interview to join a game guild, really.

I was told that I would have to be referred to a senior recruiter, and when I met one later in the day, I got the news I’d kind of been expecting after that first interview.  My application to join EVE University was rejected, on the grounds that I was too experienced and that their slots need to be reserved for true newbies.  It’s a legitimate argument, given their charter, and I don’t hold any hard feelings toward them…they really are a bright spot in a game that notoriously sees new players as fodder instead of assets.  But I’d be lying if I said it didn’t rankle me a bit.  No, I had no way of proving what I said, and it did contradict what the recruiter apparently found out, and suspicion is as pervasive as oxygen in that game.  I can’t blame them.  But it still stings a bit to all but be accused of lying.

(And to the senior RO I spoke with, who said he’d actually read this blog at some point?  If you come back and read this, thanks, seriously.  Best rejection I’ve ever gotten.  I understand your point and I’m not upset.  There really are no hard feelings.  I’m over the butthurt.)

So there I am.  Jonathan Harmon Mk II sits in a station in the Libold system, his small collection of starships with him, unsure of his future.  At this point I’m giving thought to just cutting my losses, cancelling the account, and uninstalling the game, because I don’t think I want to slowly solo my way through a few months again, losing interest.  I have to focus my time on WoW anyway.  Or I may just park Jon for a bit, logging in to train some long-duration skills, while I think about what I want to do next.

Maybe New Eden really is no place for a roleplaying carebear.  Or maybe I’m just doing it wrong due to my lack of assertiveness.  I think more the latter than the former, but we’ll have to see.

14 responses

  1. I get what you’re saying.

    I know a couple of people who play EVE, so I understand the nature of EVE, but that game is simply not for me.

    I look at EVE Online as simply an alternate universe version of work. And I already have a job, so why should I login to another one when I get off work hours? There’s enough backstabbing and whatnot in my real life job, so why create more work?

    December 20, 2010 at 09:48

  2. EVE definitely wasn’t for me. I tried the 10-day trial… which may not be enough to get the “full experience” of EVE, but it was enough for me to lose interest. Like Redbeard, a grind at work is enough for me. Don’t need a grind at home, too. Unless it’s grinding zombies to a pulp with a chainsaw. (Left 4 Dead 2)

    Wing Commander, on the other hand…yeah, I played the entire series, as well. I think it was Wing Commander 2 where I always had trouble tractor-beaming wingmen that had ejected. I would always run into them and they’d die.


    December 20, 2010 at 11:03

  3. Nyctef

    Ouch, that sucks. Eve University is probably exactly what you want.

    If you don’t really have any attachment to your current account, it might be worth just canceling the subscription on that and starting again with a fresh account and character — so long as it doesn’t interact with the old account at all there should be no link between them and you should be able to get in easily.

    December 20, 2010 at 11:15

    • Maybe, but at that point, I feel like I’d be untruthful to them if I pretended I was truly fresh off the street and had no prior experience in the game. I wanted to get into the Uni, badly, and getting rejected has thrown what plans I had completely out the window and left me stuck. But I’d rather deal with that than be dishonest.

      December 20, 2010 at 11:45

  4. Eve – Ahh the memories

    I played eve on and off for 4 years and its amazing. But it became a second job . Running 4 accounts and processing about 20 bil a week .

    I also used to do guild recruitment and yes I used to do a 3 stage process then full API checks and references.I used to catch the spys but it hard work .

    My advice if you want a true eve experience either set a account training for 12 months or if you can afford it buy some plexs and buy a PVP toon off the forums for ISK , then join a PVP guild in 0.0 and it will become whole different game .

    But it was too consuming for my life and im now on wow and making gold there instead


    December 20, 2010 at 13:02

  5. Tonk

    Thanks for the writeup, Lin. I’d been thinking about trying EVE but your experience has put me off it. What appeals to me is exactly what you started doing — a solo miner just casually doing my thing. I don’t really want to be part of a corp. I don’t really like PvP. Those seem to be pretty essential to EvE and if the solo play is as tedious as it sounds, my reasons for trying it out are getting weaker and weaker. Oh well, back to Subspace.

    December 20, 2010 at 14:55

  6. EVE hits every single one of my “no, just no” buttons for MMOs after having played through my grand two, FFXI and WoW.

    A guild/alliance/playergroup/group of any kind required to advance beyond the most trivial content? No. Just no.

    Player griefing relatively or totally unrestricted? No. Just no.

    Massive investment of time required to understand the game enough to enjoy it? No. Just no.

    Close resemblance to RL job? No. Just no.

    Thanks for cementing my decision. 🙂

    December 21, 2010 at 00:24

  7. Sanderth

    I’ve heard it noted that EVE Online is “like a sandbox with land mines,” and I can say to an extent that it is a fair assessment. Playing as an Amarrian and later a Calderi, I did enjoy the gameplay and managed to make it up to the level of cruisers. Single player was fun, if a bit repetitive. Alas, I haven’t played in perhaps a year, partly due to real life, partly due to just how hard it is to fly solo here and it was damned hard to find good connections. The major players in the game are extremely, phenomenally competitive. They’d make a hardcore WoW raiding guild look laid-back.

    It seems like the game that’d be more fun to play with a decent-sized group of people you already knew. I might try going back to it just to give it a try, just that with trying to survive college and not having much of a job, one MMO is already easily enough.

    December 22, 2010 at 01:37

  8. Kromek

    You were playing Jumpgate?!
    I just recently reactivated my account to fly around occasionaly for old times sake. Was the one gae i ever dreamed about since the day i played Elite on my Amstrad CPC back in 1986 and it was a true blast…no grind for equip, pure player skill based and a small but amazing creative and involved community. It just never really started of for some reason. But i still remember the adrenaline rush pvp gave pilots in this game.

    December 22, 2010 at 11:22

    • Yep! I was on there as “JonHarmon” (can’t remember if there was a space in there or not) between about, eh, 2003-04. I flew solo for a while then joined JOURINTHEWAY (Chewcaca, Liet, etc.), started off Solrain then rerolled Quantar. I never did a whole lot of PvP even when I flew with JITW, I mainly made a little money trading and did some fluxing.

      Jumpgate was a game that should have been so much more than it was, if NetDevil could’ve supported it properly and gotten a proper publisher for it. It deserved a lot more than 90 people online at peak hours. I’ll be interested to see if the reboot of it (Jumpgate Evolution) ever actually gets off the ground…I’m not so sure there’s a market for a joystick-based spaceflight game anymore, but if it makes it to market, I’ll probably give it a look for old times’ sake.

      December 22, 2010 at 11:29

  9. Goreflyer

    Is it possible that you have never played Freelancer?
    If you haven’t then I must recommend it, it’s and old-ish game yet the graphics were beautiful for it’s time.
    The single player story is quite good, the ships are original, you can choose to be a merchant a pirate or a bounty hunter and much more, and even if you get bored the game is extremely easy to mod, and quite a few mods exist that you can download and play around with.
    Last time I checked (which was about a year ago) the multiplayer RP servers were quite active most did require a mod to play however( but since the mods added stuff like 200+ starships 100+ zones etc… it’s not really a bad thing).
    I should probably stop now otherwise I could write a whole wall of text praising this game.
    ( Sorry if my English is a little weird, it’s not my first language you see.)

    December 23, 2010 at 06:29

  10. Kinzlayer

    Lin, that really sucks that you haven’t had as much fun with EvE as you would like. For those who had issues with EvE being a second job, you really need to look at what your goals are and how you went about to achieve them. EvE is a game that does not dictate you to do one thing or another, so if you choose to put so much effort into it then it is your choice. If you dream big then be prepare to fight for it.

    Uni isn’t the only large corp with a hand in helping new players. Also you should know that Uni as a corp is not a permanent home, once you graduate you will be helped along to a corp that has mutual goals along with you. Like most things in EvE, there are unadvertised alternatives. You mentioned that you would like to try out mission running, feel free to join “helpmymission”. The guys in there are often generous with information, helping hands with missions, and often will be willing to teach newbies the various mechanics of the game. The channel is run by Boris, a great EvE citizen.

    Last word, EvE may have cut throats and backstabbers but it also has people who are willing to help, just always remember to trust people only as far as you willing to loose what you are flying, beyond that it’s just replacement parts. One of the first rule you should learn in EvE, do not fly what you can not afford to replace.

    Also there are also a lot of existing material on the interweb that will teach you as much as the guys in Uni will. They just happen to have put it on rail for you.

    December 25, 2010 at 08:00

  11. Hutchi

    Yeah eve can be one hell of a struggle solo, i played for along time not finding somewhere suitable

    at somepoint i stumbled upon eve-radio and its ingame channel, while they might not be the best at helping you learn more and such the frigate fights and other events they run help you learn things quite well.

    I ended up making a whole new character to go on the radio’s “lemming leaps” this help me learn alot about fleet combat, tho still along way off the 0.0 levels

    also you might find this a help

    December 26, 2010 at 06:00

  12. Michael

    I had the same experience with EVE Uni. I don’t know how to play the damn game, but since I have two accounts now I can’t join because I seem to know too much. Weird….

    June 11, 2011 at 15:52

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